got our two journalists back, but there is the pueblo, the ship they are still holding from 1968, a big trophy, and it is eye-popping seeing our naval ships there in their harbor, but if they returned our ship, -- seeing our naval ship their in their harbor. >> they took the pueblo from international waters. they shot down a nato reconnaissance plane a few years later. the greatest loss of american life during the cold war. -- they shot down a naval reconnaissance plane. yesterday, president clinton apologized, in effect, to the north koreans, and that is how we got back our two reporters. greta: usenet "apologize, in effect." somebody may say it as an apology -- you said, "apologize, in effect."